Comments on: Why I Stay https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/ Discovering the Divine in the Everyday. Sat, 05 Mar 2016 02:29:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2 By: Cian Earls https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/#comment-4947 Sat, 05 Mar 2016 02:29:02 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=5992#comment-4947 This is a very interesting article Mary. I think a lot of people have this kind of trouble with the Church, or any religion in general. While I remain a Christian, I try to stay away from letting it create conflict (which it very easily can). Being religious without spirituality misses the whole point I think. When we are spiritual, Jesus’ words speak to us profoundly. Thanks for your insight!

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By: Petey https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/#comment-4946 Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:39:47 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=5992#comment-4946 In reply to Carol ford.

No individual other than Jesus Christ is “the church”. We individuals are part of The Body of Christ, and that goes for every priest, bishop, and pope who has ever been baptized into The Church. They are all broken, and that’s the whole reason Christ became human in the first place.

There have been corrupt popes in the past. Popes with mistresses, popes who killed and tortured, and even popes who sold the Papacy. But, despite these human beings being human, The Church has endured, and modern-day saints like Mother Teresa continue to be formed and inspired by Jesus Christ through the Catholic Church.

Your faith must not have been that significant, that a few worse apples (abusers) among the bad apples (all of us) have turned you away from the beauty of The Eucharist, from the Communion of Saints, from the Church that Jesus Christ himself founded. The same church that He emphatically promised that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against.

I pray that you find a kind of faith that is not swayed by the brokenness of humanity, but that allows you to stay the course, with your eyes on the perfection of Christ.

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By: Kathleen Albert https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/#comment-4945 Fri, 26 Feb 2016 17:10:01 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=5992#comment-4945 In reply to Carrie.

Far from abandoning the institution, just find a better relationship. One which is not abusive. People who stay in the Church think it will change. It has not. “Christ is the Way”, not the Catholic Church. Again, don’t confuse the two.

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By: Maria-Brenda https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/#comment-4944 Wed, 24 Feb 2016 19:25:15 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=5992#comment-4944 Dear Mary, as an older sister (I am 56) I feel your pain. I am here because I stumbled on an older article of yours, Losing My Religion. My parents were a Catholic couple who did walk out of the church in 1969. They didnt tell their children why. Its taken me a lifetime of searching for Jesus, but I found Him in the Catholic church. The church is a stranger to me and I to it. Its not what I remember, what I was taught. Its all different now.

In your previous article, mentioned above. You spoke of a revolution. My husband is a convert to Catholicism, albeit an Eastern Catholic branch. I, as a child taken away from the church and protected in a time of madness (1969-2014) I was reconciled within this Eastern lifeboat. But I am very much a Latin Catholic. I went to a Latin Solemn High Mass and heaven was opened for me there. Join the revolution, take a step into an FSSP parish or the local diocese’s Latin Mass. Revive your spirit, find your religion.

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By: Carrie https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/#comment-4943 Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:56:31 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=5992#comment-4943 Kathleen,
Would you abandon of the institution of marriage because sometimes there are bad ones, abusive ones? So it goes with the Church. Can you throw aside the Catholic Church, started by Christ himself, because of some of the actions, albeit terrible, of man?

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By: Kathleen Albert https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/#comment-4942 Sun, 21 Feb 2016 22:37:48 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=5992#comment-4942 Sorry, Mary, but your answer reminds me of the lady I knew who was celebrating her 50th anniversary married to a man who had abused her for 50 years. “Where else can I go?” She was proud to have stuck it out for 50 years! Please, your faith is in Christ, not in an organization. The church has many nice qualities, and also some not so nice. But your faith remains in Christ. If you prefer to continue your business association, well ok. But don’t confuse the two.
Ps, I like your blog, and don’t mean this as a slam toward you or your faith.

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By: Mary https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/#comment-4941 Sun, 21 Feb 2016 20:09:15 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=5992#comment-4941 I remember my grandmother , who was a devout Catholic reminding us that a priest is a man first! While I have many disagreements with the path of the Catholic “Church”I still have a deep faith in our Lord. thankfully Pope Francis has given me hope that the Catholic Church will be more inclusive, forgiving, and giving and helping those who need help.

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By: Carol ford https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/#comment-4940 Sun, 21 Feb 2016 20:01:22 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=5992#comment-4940 In reply to Francis.

Hi Francis,
i can appreciate your comments as someone who has found peace with my decision to walk away from the Church. Everyday, each of us has to decide what we can and cannot live with. I feel that the Church left me by not following the greatest words Jesus ever spoke…the foundation of His salvation for anyone who wanted to follow Him to Eternal life…”Love me with all your heart and love one another”. To me, clearly, the Church has FAILED on these simple words. In my opinion the Church is not loving Christ nor one another when it KNOWINGLY harbors child rapists. I had hopes with Pope Francis…so many things I like that he has done. But, the one thing I thought he MUST do…remove those bishops and cardinals who still serve despite being shown to have had knowledge of abusive priests. He knows who they are…just as Benedict and John Paul 2 did. The legionaries of Chist, Marcel Marciel, Cardinal Dolan( who put 50 million in a cemetery fund in Milwaukee so it could not be used to compensate abuse victims….the diocese then whet bankrupt and survivors got ZERO…sooooooo WRONG!). The more I read, the more I am confident in my decision. The Catholic Church is not a place I can remain and call myself a follower of Christ…I am confident that when I meet my Savior hHe will embrace me as His faithful servant. Peace.

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By: Francis https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/#comment-4939 Sun, 21 Feb 2016 19:30:52 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=5992#comment-4939 Carol, I understand, I share your anger: it is right, like the wrath of Jesus in the Temple.

I see it Mary’s way too, and that’s the side I must come down on, given Jesus’ flat-out promise that not all the power of hell would overcome His Church.

Faithful catholics are faithful by trusting in Him and His Church (His Mystical Body) alone, despite everything else. Let us never give in to temptation to abandon the Church.

The decision is made for me by Christ, which makes ALL the difference. If I had depended on my own understanding, I’d have been consumed – taken over – by rage at the abuse we’ve uncovered within our catholic world, I’d have damned the Church for it, and I would have nothing anymore to do with it. Would this not have seen me standing with the Pharisees, men for whom Jesus was not the Way? To my soul’s ruin I’d have thrown out the Baby with the bathwater, and who does that serve but Satan?

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By: Carol ford https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/why-i-stay/#comment-4938 Sun, 21 Feb 2016 16:52:36 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=5992#comment-4938 Hello Mary…i read your post with great interest. If i were to write such an article it would be titled Why I left. You see Mary, as you, i always considered the Church and my faith central to my beng. I loved the Church and all it gave to me. I followed all the precepts and involved myself and my family in everything it offered. I worked tirelessly in social concerns and felt so so proud to be a member of the Catholic Church. It was my family…that is how i always looked at it…as you do. Then the abuse and rape of children was brouht into the light of day and everything changed for me. It has been proven that even after priests were found to have RAPED children…they were harbored and schuffled to other places with unsuspecting parishonerrs. The “bad guys” were known by the Pope, Cardinals, and Bishops. Some of those in the know REMAIN as “princes of the church”. Cardinal Law was one of the greatest at knowing where the abusers were in Boston but he escaped to Rome and got to retire with no punishment for his actions. If my personal family had pedophiles who were allowed to rape children and then when discovered, were still invited to family events without the parents knowledge would be WRONG!!! Same thing here. I am broken-hearted but my faith in Jesus and all of His promises remain. I can not be a member of a Church that allows those that were complicent in rape and abuse. Jesus said “Let the children come unto me”, not protect the Church and conceal the rapists.

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