Dear Michael,
Yes, I’d like to talk more about this bit by bit in the coming weeks, months. I don’t think there are any easy answers. I wish I had a nice neat plan. But maybe if we start talking about this we can come up with some ideas together.
Peace,
Mary

No problem. You were just repeating what I said, not trying to create a new storyline by stating something I never said. That’s where I’ve had some problems. Commenters trying to create a new reality for me by making me “for” or “against” various things. I appreciate your comments!

I just realized I’m telling you what you said — and I did it right after I read you don’t like commenters doing that. My apologies.

Well, yes … but you did explicitly say you thought Catholics should start walking out of particular liturgies in certain circumstances. I understood you to mean that this would be a tactic for improving those liturgies.

While I agree that walking out is often the right thing to do, I’m skeptical whether good Fr. Snoozebar would care.

Yes, I’m cynical.

Do you anyone for whom s,ay,working for the good counsel network , or outside abortion clinics, or taking the time and trouble to help, hands on, getting yourhands dirty, in thousands of ways, is not” lio”?

Has the Pope said we’re doing too much,doingit right, or not enough, too NGOly?

AND
The Holy father , moreover , said this in Rio, albeit publicly, in Panish, not Portugese, specifically and separately TO a gathering of his young pilgrim Argentinian countrymen ,who are from exactly his local version of Hispanic culture and language use.
He contrasted there “LIO” with three things :
one :comidadad/es , reasonably translated, comfort and creature comforts, your comfort zone, etc. There is a resonance with “acomodado”.
two “clericalismo”, remove the “o”, right? we’re home and dry,,no problem, hey he’s after the ultramontanes n’ traddies.? Er, no, probably not: elsewhere in Rio , and I presume in BA before, his description of clericalismo is postVII (nuchurch, if I may make so bold) .: a clericalized coterie of LAYpeople running a magic circle at each mass, each parish , and beyond.( I would quote D.Sayers:Those indespensable people with whom everyone else would happily dispense.)
Thrdly, the other phenomenon/temptation in the (in the first instance, Argentinian) church to which he opposed “lio” was “instalado”.
I saw this misleadingly, if partially acurately , translated as “static.” A literal translation would perhaps be better, howsoever unfamiliar: “installed??”; the concept covers: fixed, jobforlife, everything in place, runs like clockwork, arrived respected, made it (as in made it inNY,) at home in this world, utterly at home, settled in, part of the furniture: if not of its essence, a usual concomitant of being “instalado” is being in bed with some political or social movement,party or group, or the powers thatbe, or money, or the townhall, or the university groupthinkers , it’s not a leftorright thing.

I feel” Get off your a**s more” is closer than” make a mess /trouble” For you to “Hacer un lio ” implies hassle , trouble, discomfort,cost, time,dirty hands, and uncertainty, for YOU, and it MAY be a noise, riot , mess , upsetting to others, or , as the case may be, NOT.
God bless!

I have followed your articles expressing your discontent and your desire to run from the Catholic faith. Thankfully, you chose not to because of the Real Presence of Christ in the Most Holy Eucharist. I also read that what put you over the edge, as it were, was the poor homily and the lack of a “communal feel.”

Given that, you seem to have a vision of the ideal Church and what would constitute a beautiful Mass, one, in fact, that, as you note, would prevent countless Catholics from running out the door. A problem, incidentally, that priests have been wrestling with for over 50 years. However, from what I can tell, you haven’t really clarified what that vision might be.

So, perhaps, maybe in an effort to help those countless priests that might not be connecting with the faithful, would you mind sharing that vision with all of us?

As someone who works in a church, let me say that your comment is not only incorrect, it has the tinge of being immoral.

But of course, as Pope Francis would say, who am I to judge? Enough with the judgement, my observation is enough.

Just to reiterate from a comment I made on another post, and in brief: while it is a Precept of the Faith to contribute monetarily to the support of the Church – the Church universal – that does not necessarily mean one has to support your particular parish, although most moral theologians will advise you have to give at least some nominal support. But if there are many problems, especially any possibility that your money will be transferred to or otherwise spent on any morally dubious projects/efforts/institutions, one can and, in conscience, may have to transfer that monetary support to other, more licit options within the Church.

Unfortunately, if one digs even moderately deeply, you will find that the vast majority of diocesan parishes support at least some organization or group that is problematic – to put it lightly – from a Catholic moral standpoint.