Comments on: Losing my religion… https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/ Discovering the Divine in the Everyday. Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:46:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2 By: Wayne https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/#comment-4157 Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:46:22 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=2946#comment-4157 I only just found this blog after Googling “I fell like I’m the only Catholic in my parish who cares”. This article was written about the time I first started frequenting the local Catholic church on Sundays after a life time of atheism.

Sadly, now I feel all the things, and have experienced all the things listed in this article among a host of other things that demotivate me:

Songs that would be more at home at a folk song festival.

People who spend the whole Mass conversing with each other.

People who do what they want rather than what the rubric says they should do because what they do makes them feel whatever.

Most of the people attending Mass enter the church in the thirty seconds immediately before the Mass begins, and empty out of the church so quickly when it’s over, I swear I can hear the *SWOOSH* when they leave.

The inappropriateness of women with bare shoulders, and skirts far above the knee.

The head of parish pastoral council showing up in cut-offs, old sneakers, no socks, and a Star Wars t-shirt… he looks like he just wondered in from doing some gardening.

No charitable works anywhere, and no interest in any no matter how much effort I put in to getting people up and doing something.

A pathological hatred of Latin, or any Catholic tradition.

Revolving door priests. No one priest is permanently assigned to the parish, we have a different one every week. The gardener thinks this is just great.

The resistance that meets me whenever I suggest any change about anything, and being told that I should be more like Mary and less like Martha (Luke 10:38-42).

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By: Fr. Bernard Dan https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/#comment-4156 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:42:23 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=2946#comment-4156 Mary, be careful that your words do not divide, but unite the people of God in His Church, for Jesus say, he who does not gather with me, scatters. St. Paul says, let your words be words that uplift and not put down. While you might think you have a right to express your feelings, as you surely do have, be careful that your expressions do not cause spiritual harm to others who might have a weaker faith. It is the Word of God that feeds us all, and according to the same Word, no one can understand the Word of God unless the Holy Spirit grants her understanding. Before becoming a priest I had similar challenges of understanding the Word or homily. That was until my spiritual director told me what to do: (1) To pray for the gift of understanding; (2) To always pray for whoever the homilies would be, that God may speak to my need through his (the homilist’s) words. On the said day that you complain about, did you ask for the spirit of understanding from the Holy Spirit before going to Mass? Did you also pray that the Words of the homily may be meaningful and useful to you? Because I assure you, God is capable of making even the most unintelligible words meaningful to us, after all he made the universe and the heavens out of nothing. Also, unless a person comes to the Lord with an open mind, open ears, and an open heart, with hunger desiring to be fed; not picking and choosing what to be fed with, but with total surrender of will to the Holy Spirit and readiness to accept whatever God speaks that day, a person may never be fed. I bet you, if you asked all the attendees in Church that day, you will find many who went home satisfied. You may disagree, but here are a few questions;

Do you really think that temperance, prudence, justice, fortitude have no relationship with serving God? Or that prudence in dealing with money is inappropriate to the theme “You cannot serve God and money?” Do you not consider that fortitude is required to resist the temptation of being driven by lust for money and the pursuit of wealth over God? How about justice in concepts such as ‘paying just wages,’ ‘what I want is justice and mercy’ or ‘act justly’ to your fellow man (especially in matters of money and service to God)? If the homilist was boring, are you claiming that the Word of God itself, read from four (4) Bible passages did not contain anything of worth to feed you, in case the homily doesn’t? Do you really want all your readers to believe that it was the homilist’ fault that you left Church unfed instead of admitting it was your lack of preparedness, disposition and openness, surrender of will and your situation to God and willingness to accept whatever God chooses to speak to you? Couldn’t you see, from your reaction, that the very homily was inviting you to cultivate the very virtues that you actually need? But again, you missed the message because you had an already made up mind about what you want to hear. For if you had the virtues the priest mentioned in his homily, you wouldn’t be reacting the way you are, because you would be thinking, “Maybe God wants me to work more on these virtues; maybe there’s someone here that the Holy Spirit is addressing through the priest and even though I have cultivated these virtues, God wants someone else to hear it and do same today, so in justice I shouldn’t place my needs and wants before others and deprive them from being fed; He is God, it is his to speak and mine to listen, no matter how long it takes, how slow, or how inaudible or monotonous.”

How many days did Moses wait on the mountain for God to speak the 10 Commandments? 40 days and nights.
How many days did Elijah journey to the mountain of God to receive his word? 40 days and nights.
Can you imagine how long the prophets had to wait for God to speak, or how hard they had to listen? Can you even begin to phantom the many times the word that came was unfavorable to them, and what they would rather not hear? But they listened.
To all of you Catholics and Christians, know that when God speaks, it is not only going to be for your benefit, because as prophets through baptism, God’s word might come to you but meant for someone else you would meet later in the day or week. Are you all still without perception? Why do you sound so selfish? Is the Word for you alone? Are you not disciples? Quite complaining and begin to answer the call.

Let the words that you speak lift people up and not put them down, storing a revolt in their spirits and causing them to lose their way. For he who does not gather with me, scatters.

I hadn’t time to proof read through this, so pardon whatever mistakes you find.

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By: Eugene https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/#comment-4155 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 10:11:06 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=2946#comment-4155 there is a great book you can read about that same feeling. i experienced that as well in my own church. its an old book, but very interesting to read. the title is “sacred romance”. please read it, it might be helpful for all of you guys. 😀

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By: Achilles https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/#comment-4154 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 11:27:50 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=2946#comment-4154 I felt left out by the Catholic Church also. However, I found my path back to Christ by attending a Unity Church. What a fresh alternative! I have found the joy and happiness that was missing in my life.

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By: Michelle https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/#comment-4153 Thu, 23 Jan 2014 01:35:32 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=2946#comment-4153 I agree with everything you are saying, Mary. We recently left our parish of 28 years due to the lack of spirituality and the utter inanity of the pastor. For example, in one of his homilies, the priest stated that divorced people are barred from receiving the Eucharist, even if they are not remarried. I am not divorced, but I was greatly offended by this divisive (and incorrect) statement, as well as the attitude behind it. Many priests are not shepherds. They are wannabe CEOs who couldn’t cut it in the real world.
I am praying that Pope Francis’s message will prevail over time– “trickle down” Christianity. The Catholic Church accomplishes great things through its ministries. I don’t want to leave it, but things have got to change.

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By: Marie https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/#comment-4152 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:45:42 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=2946#comment-4152 In reply to MeredithGould (@MeredithGould).

Meredith, I am sorry that to keep that speaking opportunity you were put through a vetting process that seemed unjust and/or insensitive. I can imagine the feeling “I can’t help having an Episcopal husband” “Couldn’t you have done due diligence *before* deciding to invite me?” etc. It must have been an unpleasant experience for you. By way of encouragement, I’ll offer this: God does not allow us to suffer trials like that for no reason. Perhaps He saw that by you patiently enduring that and offering it up to Him, you would be more united to Jesus’ cross and thus more souls would be reached through your presentations than by just having the presentations go smoothly with no trial or suffering on your part. This is not to say that whoever put you through it necessarily acted rightly, but God sometimes allows others to treat us unjustly. And when He does, it’s not for no purpose, but to give us a chance to unite ourselves to Jesus who patiently endured the worst injustice ever perpetrated on the face of the earth.

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By: Mary DeTurris Poust https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/#comment-4148 Sat, 05 Oct 2013 12:20:48 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=2946#comment-4148 In reply to Christine Burton.

Christine,
I sort of made this same point on a radio/TV show that will air tomorrow. I suggested that even if women cannot be ordained, they need to have a voice, that our Church and its members are missing “half the equation” when the only reflections we get are from a male, ordained perspective. I think it’s time for what you are blessed to have in your parish to become a reality for the rest of us!
Peace,
Mary

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By: Tobias https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/#comment-4146 Fri, 04 Oct 2013 03:02:52 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=2946#comment-4146 I am a catholic convert. I converted because of Vat II & its recognition of God’s presence in all faiths calling persons to God’s self. I converted despite the church’s poor recognition of the worth and gifts of women & refused invitations from bishops to seek ordination. I told each that until women could be ordained I would serve the people of God as women were allowed to serve.

When my wife & I married in 1983, I told her (she was also a convert) that if she found the church’s sexist language and treatment of women too painful, I’d gladly go with her to another denomination. She chose to stay. When our daughter was old enough to begin to understand what was happening at worship & in the church, we both could no longer stand it. There were no acceptable role models for her. The language (that we’d each accommodated to by muttering under our breath our own version) was horribly offensive as we realized this was all our daughter would know.

I discussed this with our bishop — a kind and loving man who could understand that we did not want our child warped by a warped church.

My wife & I consider ourselves catholic, but feel that the church has left us. We are heartened by Francis’ example and pray for a church that truly welcomes and affirms all.

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By: Christine Burton https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/#comment-4145 Thu, 03 Oct 2013 21:26:26 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=2946#comment-4145 In reply to Ginny @Random Acts of Momness.

While our priest is a fine homilist in his own right, his strongest gifts are in pastoral care. Fortunately, my parish has had lay reflectors (can’t call them homilists!) for years. Thank heavens the Archbishops have come to recognise them as part of our tradition (even if they don’t like the idea that anyone other than a priest might have something of spiritual value to offer), and thus aren’t trying to end that practice. Many new members (some of whom had left the church – their return says that they, like Mary, are still hungry for spiritual food) say they join our community because our reflections give them more to think about and to try to live, as followers of JC, than other parishes. Leave aside the issue of women priests (!), strong lay councils (see my note below) and lay homilists are another way to recognise the gifts of the spirit and to empower people to use their strongest gifts for the greatest good…

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By: Christine Burton https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/faith/losing-my-religion/#comment-4144 Thu, 03 Oct 2013 21:07:22 +0000 https://notstrictlyspiritual.com/?p=2946#comment-4144 A few thoughts on this and your follow-up post:
For the sake of context, I am a Canadian, Chair of parish council and write two monthly columns for a Cdn Catholic weekly paper.
On the Word: I am a psalmist and whereas many of my fellow cantors bow to the altar on their way to and fro, I always bow to the Scripture on the ambo when I finish singing. That is the Liturgy of the Word – the Eucharist will come soon enough, but in that moment, it is the Word – made flesh, with God and IS God – whom we are focusing on. God is ‘present’ in a very real, if ineffable way, in the Words of Scripture. And, as a feminist and child of a feminist, I have been schooled in the reality that words do, indeed, have power (ergo some of the challenges of inclusive language and the sad loss of yet even more women’s face in the revised GIRM and lectionary). So I applaud your thoughts there.
In terms of Liturgy – this reflection – I strongly agree with and appreciate your comments on dry homiletics. However, I would like to reinforce and add to your comments on the Liturgy as a whole. My parish has a very vibrant, dynamic liturgy. We are a growing Catholic parish (how many can say that?), attracting lost/disaffected Catholics as well as ‘last-stop Catholics’. Over 75% of our community have post-graduate degrees (that’s right – 75% with at least Master’s degrees and many with doctorates) and many are very schooled in theology and liturgy. We have over 50 self-funded ministries, including a supper table that feeds 200 people EVERY weekday evening, a women’s centre for economically marginalised women and their children, a Catholic LGBT and allies group, refugee outreach, a music ministry that is becoming the talk of the town (with different SATB choirs at each of the 4 masses) ++. Our much-loved pastor supported the establishment of a new governance model with the parish council being decision-making vs merely advisory. And yet… we are being slapped down by the ‘powers that be’ who want to impose precisely and only the words of the new GIRM – even though other, less progressive churches throughout the diocese (and the country) are each doing their own slight variation to reflect their community’s culture, history, charism etc. It feels like stultifying rubric being used as sword to punish us for daring to think outside the box – not that JC ever did that… We have too many people who are on the edge of leaving; we HAVE lost some due to the intransigence of the ‘centre’. Their loss, the loss of our community would be a blow to the RC church as a whole, but those in charge still seem to hew to the view that a ‘pure’ church of a few is better than the active and alive church that is made up of communities and liturgies that, like people, all have two eyes and a nose, but each also wonderfully unique reflections of God’s infinite diversity…. God bless you always.

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